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Post by Red Star Recordings on Nov 21, 2004 7:56:24 GMT -5
This is a warning about the German record labels Fire & Flames and Mad Butcher Records.
It appears that both labels are ripping people off and I would advise anyone to avoid having any dealings with either label. I know from first hand experience as both owe money to Red Star Recordings for copies of the Redskins tribute EP "A Flame That Can't Be Dimmed".
Both Fire & Flames and Mad Butcher were sold these records at cost price and Red Star Recordings were only going to get back what they paid to get the records pressed. However, this deal was not good enough
for the greedy bastards and they are both refusing to pay for the copies of the EP. Fire & Flames even had the balls to say that they had paid for the records. Well, I haven't a clue who they paid the money to but it certainly wasn't me.
Having spoken to Detour Records it seems that Mad Butcher have ripped a few people off and I would advise anyone against dealing with either of these labels in the future.
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Post by Red Star Recordings on Nov 26, 2004 13:25:02 GMT -5
Fire & Flames finally settled their bill with Red Star Recordings this week. While I'm happy that this matter has finally been settled, I'm still pissed off with the fact that they ignored my emails and letters and I had to name & shame them before they paid up. Needless to say Red Star Recordings won't be having anymore dealings with Fire & Flames.
I haven't heard anything from Mad Butcher Records which doesn't really surprise me.
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Post by VenusInFurs on Nov 26, 2004 16:47:50 GMT -5
Fire & Flames finally settled their bill with Red Star Recordings this week. While I'm happy that this matter has finally been settled, I'm still pissed off with the fact that they ignored my emails and letters and I had to name & shame them before they paid up. Needless to say Red Star Recordings won't be having anymore dealings with Fire & Flames. Glad you finally got paid. Still, you're absolutely right about being pissed off - ignoring e-mails and letters is really unprofessional. |
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Post by Bootbhoy on Jan 31, 2005 17:46:25 GMT -5
>:(Im glad u said that, I was going to order some badges of fire & flames at 80 cents each, then i had to go to the checkout to pick the country i was paying from (ie uk), they were going to charge me 12euros for p&P!!! (12euros p&p for a couple of badges).
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Post by Bazza on Jan 31, 2005 18:05:10 GMT -5
>:(Im glad u said that, I was going to order some badges of fire & flames at 80 cents each, then i had to go to the checkout to pick the country i was paying from (ie uk), they were going to charge me 12euros for p&P!!! (12euros p&p for a couple of badges). What badges were you after? They sell a few badges at the following site - www.angelicupstarts.co.uk/merc.htm |
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Post by bootbhoy on Jan 31, 2005 18:19:54 GMT -5
Hi Bazza, I was just after some A.F.A badges.. Thanx for the link.
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Post by Bazza on Jan 31, 2005 18:33:15 GMT -5
Hi Bazza, I was just after some A.F.A badges.. Thanx for the link. Theres a few anti-fascist badges & books at the following site - www.akuk.com |
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Post by bootbhoy on Feb 1, 2005 9:57:30 GMT -5
:)Cheers Bazza!!
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Post by Bazza on Jul 8, 2006 12:06:43 GMT -5
I see after nearly a years lay off Fire & Flames have started trading again. They have also been saying that I have been slandering them. Nicolas from Fire & Flames needs to have a look in a dictionary before he starts using words that he doesn't know the meaning of. In case you are reading this Nicolas -
Slander:
1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
Still think that I have been slandering you? Well, you could always take legal action against me. I look forward to hearing your reply.
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Post by fireandflames on Jul 8, 2006 17:39:26 GMT -5
This is my last mail on this subject, theres no reasoning with you....
-At no point do you mention that before we had the problem with the payment of the one invoice....we paid you I think somewhere between three and five other orders.
But that doesnt count for you I guess, it must have been part of our master scam against you....lure you into confidence and then never pay again.
-Produce the emails, do whatever pleases your heart. I would do it right now, but as you probably know....our server died, which is why we were offline for a year....no more website, no more emails from before August 2005. But I know you have several from me offering to show you a receipt if you wanted. Im sure you dont have an answer anywhere, because you never bothered to reply.
The first signs of life from you...threats. Annoying, unelegant, but yes...motivating enough for us to go to the bank, ask for our old records of previous payments to you (which as stated above, were several) and solve the problem on our own, since you were obviously to busy to tell us we were sending the money to the wrong account number.
-And again, our records speaks for itself. We buy from, sell to, work with, or trade with literally just about every halfway relevant label, clothing producer, distro, and antifa group around. Literally, over a hundred partners spread over about 20 countries. And in 4 years....nobody has ever had a complaint, nobody has ever not been paid, nothing...only you. We have all the references in the world...same cant be said of you.
And if you feel wronged by us, Im sorry, I truly am. But get on with your life. And if you still have a problem with Mad Butcher...by all means, take it up with them.
Or is your big problem with us now that we sell the Redskins live CD?
Because if thats the case, you sure have a lot of work to do....I can name you about 50 labels, distros, and shops (all left wing oriented) who sell that CD right off the top of my head.
Thats is from me on this subject, I have other shit to do. I wish you the best in whatever it is you do.
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Post by Bazza on Jul 9, 2006 4:12:58 GMT -5
Lets stick to the facts shall we and not the fantasy world that you live in.
You were sent countless emails and letters about the unpaid bill for the copies of the Redskins tribute EP "A Flame That Can't Be Dimmed" which you got for cost price. I only got back 1 email off you saying that you had paid the bill which you know as well as I do that you hadn't. You were then sent a registered letter (which you had to sign for) giving you time to settle the bill and warning you that if the bill wasn't paid up that further action would be taken. You ignored the letter.
It was only after I named and shamed you on this and other message boards that you finally paid the bill. I then get an email off you telling me to apologise to Fire & Flames on all the message boards. Apologise for what exactly? The fact that you took nearly a year to settle your bill? I'm sorry but if anyone should apologise it's you for pissing me about.
You are now back in business and stocking CD's & records which you know full we'll that the bands involved have been ripped off by Mad Butcher Records. But don't take my word for it, ask Detour Records, LiquidatorMusic, the Redskins, 8°6 crew, etc. But why do you still stock them? I tell you why, it's because all you care about is lining your own pockets and you couldn't care less about who gets ripped off along the way. And you claim to be a left wing label? Don't make me laugh.
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Post by fireandflames on Jul 9, 2006 8:21:58 GMT -5
Fantasy world you say?
Interesting...
-Who do you think your dealing with here...Sony Music?
-A registered letter means some human signed for it, and because politics and militancy defines my life (from being deported from the United States, to the work I do, to practically all my everyday activity) I also live in a collective house with 8 other people.
Its a great alternative living experience, but it means often...things dont happen like they should...like mail reaching who it should.
Or did you expect my secretary to give it to me?
-"Lining my pockets"....ummmm....Fire and Flames has never, ever, in 4 years of existance turned a profit. Nothing to line anybodies pockets with. Not because FF doesnt work, it does. But the propaganda is the important thing, and thats why all the profits always end up going into new material, new projects, etc. We live from other things, thanks.
And although FF has never made money, weve anyways managed to donate many many thousands of euros to various antifa groups and projects, through benefit sales and solidarity concerts.
But whatever, I cant help but answer because what you say is so absurd, but I really need to stop. Again, our record speaks for itself...you are the only one with a problem with us.
We are easy to find, everybody knows us, and everyone has good experiences with us. Who can say the same of you??!!
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Post by fireandflames on Jul 9, 2006 8:26:02 GMT -5
I forgot....we never stopped working....only our website was down. During that time, among other things, we organized a huge solidarity concert to finance the mobilization against a Nazi demo in our city. Through this concert and other events, we donated over 2000 EUR to the campaign. Dirty capitalists we are! Heres some pictures for you... de.indymedia.org//2005/10/130382.shtml |
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Post by Bazza on Jul 9, 2006 9:04:31 GMT -5
I think the people on here know who's telling the truth as you have a record of been dishonest. I just hope you go out of business real soon as we don't need scum like you and Mad Butcher.
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